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Warlordism to Democracy - Part III
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News Summary: Part III describes political paradigm shifts from warlordism to democracy. Warlordism is a Third World way, the way it plays out in nations that follow political Islam of the Arab lands. Latin American and communist nations politics is also not democratic, but they are not a part of this discussion. Unlike in lands with leaders and clerics held infallible and rulers are dictators, elected or not, in democracy leaders are not infallible or a breed apart. The democratic leaders are not held in thr.....read more in: Warlordism to Democracy - Part III

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4 030201kishankb on Sep-28 :

g kapuria at 10:25 Today:

Do you have credible documentation to support it?

If hated those who refused to follow his religion included Romans and Semitic Arab tribals. My understanding was that although he was in contact with Romans as the Jewish kingdom was their client state, how could he have reached out to Arabs and all others in 1st century when only face to face communications was possible.

There is a mystry about the point you mentioned.


3 g kapuria on Sep-28 :

KKB.. Jesus had malice in his heart for people who refuse to follow his religion. That is certainly not non-violent.
2 030201kishankb on Sep-28 :

Kishore, I agree with all your points.

In my defense I will say:

I focused on Jesus as IMHO he was non-violent person and so were masses living in poverty and preached non-violence to fellow Jews, ruled by Jewish Kings identified in my article. Feudal warlords were rulers and they followed God of "laws, rewards and punishment" to govern their subjects.

All warlords of that time followed more or less similar practices; Hindus kings were no exception. However, in history one always comes across exception to this rule of thumb.

In an article of this length one can cover only limited number of points. As you said, correctly IMO, it will take many books to cover all point.
I do appreciate your response and may be you should write an article identifying the points you consider important in this connection.

One more point. In secular democratic constitutionally governed societies there is a possibility that the atrocities inflicted by rules on masses will not recur, but we all know so far such democratic nations live by democracy at home only.

Indians were victims of British atrocities" and even today America is using illegal detentions for terrorists. By any reasonable standards with an exception of 1857 behavior of British army and the Jalianwala Bagh massacre, such atrocities by non-Islamic followers are rare and only a retaliatory response to mass murders such as the 9/11 and Mumbai terrorist attacks.

Take care.
1 Kishore on Sep-28 :

Feedback sent to Author: Warlordism-to-Democracy----Part-III

"Religion is made complicated and politicized by instituting infallibility of clerics." You forget to mention that this had to be backed up by fierce repression using some of the most horrible forms of torture ever invented, dispossesion expecially if you were a Jew and public humiliation (like the pillory). The church even had a price list for torture and torture was a legitimate profession in Europe under the auspices of the church. This is the way it works in modern Islamic states like Iran as well althought they have a long way to go to rival christian brutality.

Your analysis of mixing politics and religion is good but it is a vast topic that could take up many volumes. You made several mistakes though. The early christians were not peaceful. The violent fanaticism was always there from the beginning. Roman writings by Ammianus and Pliny bear this out. Even if minor action was taken by any authority agaginst the christians they would react vigorously and shout persecution and oppression and start a riot. If you rely only on church written history then off course the Romans were brutal and the christians were peace loving. Early christian also used deceit - like falsifying miracles and retrofitting their religion to places and tombs. Would you refer to rioting muslims who take offence to cartoon of their prophet as peaceful.

Regards

Kishore




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