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Koenraad Elst: Mistaken Identity?
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News Summary: The modern era is full of writers who expound the essence of Vedas, Upanishads, Mahabharat, Ramayan, Indian politics etc. Some sanskrit scholars did an indepth analysis and gave their own interpretations of the Indian scriptures. Many who did not know sanskrit gave their analysis based on the translations and interpretations done by other people. Of those who neither had a sound sanskrit knowledge or understanding of Indian culture, many ended up in distorting the Hindu scriptures under the guis.....read more in: Koenraad Elst: Mistaken Identity?

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17 030201kishankb on Oct-20 :

This is an excellent article deciphering errors introduced by western scholars who lack understanding of Indian culture and traditions. Ancient Indian sciences turned dormant as India was colonized first by Muslim (950 – 1857) and then by Europeans (1857 – 1947).

The colonizers and proselytizers are two strands of Judaic religious teachings. Jews and some Arab traditions, linked to Semitic tribes that may be the first to evolve from “the hunters and gatherers” tribal"s to landed agricultural societies about 8,000 years ago.

European incorporated their traditions; political, social and cultural norms into Christianity of Ministry of Jesus and Islam incorporated Arab traditions. Roman Catholics (3rd century) and Muslims (starting 7th century) as the people of the book were on a mission for global conquests, in the name of their religion and they have tried but failed to destroy the India “sanskar” driven culture, social norms and most importantly traditions.

In India the colonizers super imposed their value systems on Indian values and social and cultural norms. In 21st century, Indians are rediscovering ancient Vedic sciences and Indian scholars are now researching India"s ancient past to put is in a perspective that is compatible with Indian sanskars.

Presenting ancient India history in a form compatible with expanded global horizon is a research task that has just begin.

16 S.Ghosh on Oct-20 :

Konrad Elst is repeating the campaign against Netaji in the BBC by George Orwell ( real name Erik Blair, who was a British spy). That campaign was repeated in India by the Indian communists as instructed by the British Communists who was instructed by the British Government.

Ambedkar also has repeated that campaign against INA as he was a member of the Vice Roy"s War Council; Carappa took part in the military campaign against the INA and refused to admit them in the Indian Army after 1951 ( when India got its independence).



15 Mo on Oct-20 :

That means commies open hatred against Netaji and other nationalists is right and justified. Elst is the villain though he"s non-Indian writer.

Now Ambedkar what ? how is he linked to this discussion ?
Cariappa was already discussed for centuries in another thread, with proofs
that he saved ALL the INA soldiers at Red Fort Trials. A graceful act which commie shytheads can never boast of.

When it comes to Netaji don"t bring in small fries like Ambedkar or Cariappa
or now a non-Indian like Elst who will not even be able to pronounce desi names. Netaji headed and represents 1 of the 2 top-level leaderships in freedom movement, the other being Gandhi. And we don"t have to even discuss pygmy jokerlal in Netaji context if he were not "appointed" the executive of land much after the main leaders did their actions.
14 S.Ghosh on Oct-19 :

Communist parties of the World are interlinked; it is a worldwide movement. Extreme nationalism ( which is identical to Naziism and Facism) are not allowed.

Before 1941,communist party was banned in India, everyone was in jail. Even the book by Rabindranath Tagore ( Letter from Russia) was banned in India at that time.

In 1941, when Britain became an ally of the USSR, British authority in India released them on condition that they would be under the supervision of the British Communist Party, who misled the Indian communists by branding Netaji as a Facist, which the USSR Communist Party had never approved.

What about Ambedkar? He was a member of the Vice Roy"s War Cabinet, planning the war against INA. Yet, he is a Bharat Ratna.

Cariappa, Manek Shah, Thaper, Thimaya all fought against the INA. Cariappa never allowed the inclusion of the soldiers of the INA in the Indian Army after 1951, when the British left India.




13 Mo on Oct-19 :

This sounds even more dangerous and laughable.
That commies do not have own thinking like
rest of Indians. Rest of the Indians did not
require USSR to recognize Netaji. No wonder,
Azad Hind Fauj consisted almost entirely of
rest of India ethnicities from India and abroad.

Why such feeble defense of backstabbing Commie
Shitheads ?
12 S.Ghosh on Oct-18 :

USSR had recognized Azad Hind Government and there was a Consulate of Azad Hind Government in the Soviet Union.

Communists of India in 1941 was directed by the British Communist Party, as they were not allowed to have any direct contact with the Soviet Union. British Communist Party branded Netaji as a Facsist, which Koenraad Elst is now repeating.
11 Mo on Oct-18 :

Why would you expect a non-Indian to love an Indian freedom fighter ?
Secondly, weren"t Commie parties of Bengal believing that Netaji was traitor ALL along ( a view they changed very late when it was of no consequence ) ?
Thirdly, no one can match backstabbing Jokerlal in giving a bad deal to Netaji. And so on.. now where does Elst even remotely fit in this web when OUR own have done far worse ?
10 S.Ghosh on Oct-18 :

Elst has a different agenda. He is pretending to be a friend of the Hindus, but he is against Netaji, he is against Soviet Union, the only friend India ever had. I guess he is from the CIA.

9 Mo on Oct-17 :

>>gk: Mo.. you are right, and I do read Scriptures. You have quoted from David Frawley, right

gk, i came to know that it was from David Frawley after I quoted; and I
had quoted actually from this article itself. I"ll check the reference into
6th chapter of Gita that you"ve recommended. thx.
8 Mo on Oct-17 :

>>SG wrote: He is against Azad Hind Fauz and considered Netaji Subhas as a Facsist.

SG, ignore such stuff. I"m pretty sure most Indians have better
undertanding of Netaji and no one assumes he"s a fascist ( except p.o.l.i.t.i.c.a.l junkies who stand to lose from Netaji"s towering image,
or some pseudo thinkers who have read very very little about him or his writings. )
7 g kapuria on Oct-17 :

Mo.. you are right, and I do read Scriptures. You have quoted from David Frawley, right?

A sutra text is always a compilation of others" work. Patanjali"s yoga sutra is no exception. He compiled (at least some) existing literature into a systematized book.

The Hiranyagarbha yoga darshana is thought to be an older book, and it describes yama and niyama. I have not read Hiranyagarbha yoga darshana myself, but unlike David Frawley, many Indian scholars categorize Hiranyagarbha"s text separately from Patanjali"s yoga sutra. As you can imagine, Frawley being a white man, his writings has instant acceptance. But his opinion is merely an oversimplification. There are many many ancient texts on yoga, and it is extremely difficult to say which book came first. Patanjali"s emphasis was on analysis of chitta. But hardly anybody has written about it. It is difficult stuff, and "scholars" of Hindu texts avoid the difficult subjects. I am not sure, but from what I read, it could be that Hiranyagarbha"s text was not big on the analysis of chitta.

If you really study the 6th chapter of the Gita, paying attention to individual words, you will have a good understanding of what this subject of Raja yoga is, and how to think about it from the spiritual point of view.
6 Mo on Oct-17 :

gk, thanks. could you dig into this from what the author informs ?
I presume you do read or have access to scripture interpretation
in some form. This reference shows that Ashtanga Yoga was around much earlier than Patanjali"s compilation.

"This means that the Patanjali Yoga Darshana is a later subset of the earlier Hiranyagarbha Yoga Darshana. It is not a new or original teaching, nor was it ever meant to stand on its own. The topics addressed in it from yamas and niyamas to dhyana and samadhi are already taught in detail in the older literature. In the Mahabharata (Shanti Parva 316.7), the sage Yajnavalkya speaks of an eightfold Yoga taught in the Vedas. The Shandilya Upanishad refers to an eightfold or ashtanga Yoga but does not mention Patanjali.“"
5 g kapuria on Oct-17 :

Mo.. Jumping in to make a point.

Many scholars have tried to describe yoga in an organized manner. Think about it.. yoga described in the Gita is not what you find in Patanjali"s sutras. Even though some commentators have tried to explain some verses of the Gita in the light of Patanjali"s astanga yoga. In Patanjali"s sutras, one finds the Divine mentioned in just one context, only as one possible point of focus. For the purpose of astanga yoga, any point of focus is good. In the Gita, Sri Krishna described those yogas only as means for atma-shuddhi. The goal of Gita"s own yoga(s) is very different, and that goal is to be with Sri Krishna.

I like to think of yoga in two main ways, as has been proposed by some scholars. Vedantic yoga taught by Sri Krishna and astanga yoga compiled by Patanjali.
4 Mo on Oct-17 :

ST, it is not about sanskrit this time! It"s his analysis that yoga in present form is due to Brit m.i.l.i.t.a.r.y exercises. And also, his view about yoga appears to start from Patanjali"s yoga sutras, and conveniently ignoring that yoga existed much before that ( patanjali merely compiled info ). And he"s completely unaware of surya namaskar etc. Anyways, he"s a smaller issue compared to the backstabbing done by our own thoroughbred p-secs.
3 straight talk on Oct-17 :

Who is the trueest of true blue ribbion Sanskrit scholar!!!!!!!!!
2 Mo on Oct-15 :

Managed to read the article in full; the author has done well
to call Koenrad Elst"s bluff and nonsense.
Koenrad Elst is agenda-driven and a slimiest crapshyt distorian.
1 S.Ghosh on Oct-13 :

I have suspected that for a long time Elst has a different agenda. He is against Azad Hind Fauz and considered Netaji Subhas as a Facsist. Thus, basically he is supporting the British idea on India.





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