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News Summary: Part V concludes the Introduction to Hinduism by describing scientific roots of Hinduism. The Hindu concepts of human behavior were adopted from the scientific Sankhya Systems and the Guna theory of evolution of human behavior.In a nutshell, Hindu philosophers who developed Gita were contemporaries of Kapila, the author of the Sankhya System. The theist of the day, true to their Vedic faith and upbringing, dressed up the Sankhya system in religious clothes by incorporating the concept of paramat.....read more in: Hinduism: Sankhya System & Guna - Part V

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11 G Srinivasan on Apr-17 :

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Great to see Sankhya being explained.I have decoded Sankhya mathematics over the last 40 years. I contains a complete scientific derivation of all particle and stellar body masses more accurate than on Physics. The three Gunas are mathematcally derived to show that its is source of eternal power as it oscillates perpetually. The Siddhi state is inculcates intellectual discrimination. Sutra 37 derives the basics for extracting power from space. See website http://www.kapillavastu.com/index.html

10 Vivek Verma on Sep-05 :

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Hi Sir
I am a student of IIT Delhi doing engineering. I have a project in psychology for which I would need the 22 page document on Samkhaya System. I would be really grateful if you could provide me the same.

Thank you
Vivek Verma
9 wanting hsieh on Jul-11 :

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I am very interested in understanding 3 Gunas in much more details. Do you have any books or articles ?

Thank you for your help.


hsieh
8 Prof. Ram L. Pandey on Feb-22 :

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Dear Kishan:

I am in the process of reading your article related to gunas theory from your website. It appears very interesting; however, it is based on dualism/idealism (Dvait/Advait) that has problems; the problems of various views are discussed in:
Vimal, R. L. P. (2010). Quest for the Definition of Consciousness, Qualia, Mind, and Awareness. In review, available at http://sites.google.com/site/rlpvimal/Home/DefineC-Vimal-LVCR-2009-V.pdf .

My goal is to investigate if we can derive our innumerable subjective experiences (SEs), which appear irreducible in our normal state of mind. I do not know if they are reducible in samadhi state because I have not yet reached to that state. If you are able to reach to samadhi state, then I would be interested to know if your find colors (such as redness, blueness, and greenness) and other SEs are reducible to some elemental entities such as 3 gunas or some other elemental entities.

The derivation is speculated in this following article:
Vimal, R. L. P. (2009). Derivation of Subjective Experiences from a Proto-experience and three Gunas in the Dual-Aspect-Dual-Mode Framework. Vision Research Institute: Living Vision and Consciousness Research, 2(4), Available: http://sites.google.com/site/rlpvimal/Home/2009-Vimal-Guna-LVCR-II(iv)-I.pdf . I request you for your critical comments on this.

My articles related to the dual-aspect framework can be downloaded from
http://sites.google.com/site/rlpvimal/Home/2008-Vimal-PE-SE-classical-quantum-JIN-0701-P49.pdf
http://sites.google.com/site/rlpvimal/Home/Selection-matching-Vimal-LVCR-2009-XII.pdf

Thanks in advance.

Kind regards,
Ram
22 Feb 10

7 S.Ghosh on Jan-25 :

No Indian should look at the History of the world or History of Civilization written by any Anglo-Americans, as they always insult us, try to minimize the importance of India. In their books, Indian ancient civilization does not even exist, the history of India starts with the invasion of Alexander, with a brief story and Indus valley.
According to them, Ramayana and Mahabharata are myths; Bhagwat Gita was written in 1st century AD or in 9th century Ad, Upanishad in 2nd century BC, everything that is good and great even Sanskrit language was inmported from outside.
It is not true that in 11000BC people used to be hunters and gatherers; certainly the ancestors of the Anglo-Americans were civilized only after the Romanm Empire colonized them, but that is not true about the rest of the World.
The Rama Bridge linking India with Sri Lanka was constructed in 1.5 million years ago; there were a submerged city near the sea coast of Gujarat at least 10,000 years old; Mehrgarh in now Pakistan is 10,000 years old, by the sea coast Okinawa ruins of a submerged city is discovered recently which is also at least 10,000 years old; the Aryan civilisation in Sinstra valley near Ural mountain was also at least 6000 years old.
I suggest you to read the book," Some Blunders of Indian"s Historical Research written by P.N.Oak. According to him Gautam Buddha was not born in 650BC, but in about 2500BC.
There used to be civilization before the last ice age. In every 26000-28000 year, ice age reappears, as earth"s magnetic field changes. Thus, there were civilizations in different parts of the world many thousands years ago, but we have not discovered yet.
It is wrong to put so much trust on the Anglo-americans, who do not know much because of their defective education system.

6 030201kishankb on Jan-21 :

S. Ghosh on Wednesday:

I hear you; A nearly 6,000 year uncertainty in the age of any Hindu scriptures may be mathematically true but is it consistent with other relevent factors know for the global history.

For example, are you familiar with arguments presented in the "Guns, Germs and Steel" by Prof Jared Diamond (1999, W. W. Norton & Co, NY). It features the Fate of Human Societies as viewed from a variety of sciences know today and especially, geology and bio-geology.

In a nutshell, History followed different course, for different people because of differences among people" environments, not because of biological differences among people themselves.

It places age of the last Ice Age, around 11,000 BC, all peoples on all continents were still hunter-gatherers, etc

I am citing this book because Indian History is written from cultural perspective only; there are other dimensions to history, for example, political history, economic history, etc and these histories have impacted on human developments. One should IMHO take into consideration all factors associated with many sciences that contribute to human history in resolving "age" related differences or uncertainties of the magnitude you have mentioned.

I have just started reading this book; I will have more to report on it in near future.

Anyway, for my analysis in the posted articles depends on basic assumptions of better scientific knowledge of today relative to that in any period before and that Kapila and Vyasa were contemporary or Kapila preceded Vyasa and Vyasa was familiar with works of the Sankhya System and Guna theory. Moreover, Vyasa was a philosopher and a very good story teller but not a scientist so he had to depend on some scientific inputs for Chapters 14 and 15 of Gita.

5 S.Ghosh on Jan-20 :

AryaBhatta"s calculation about the age of Mahabharata"s war is mentioned in a number of places. Recently some astronomer"s of Indian origin in USA have recalculated the age depending on the astronomical position as described in the Mahabharat at the time of the great war. They also said more or less the same age.
However, it is well known that in every 26000 to 28000 years the magnetic field and the earth"s rotational angle changes, thus the age of Mabharata"s gear war can very well be 26000+5800 or 52000+5800 years ago.

We only know from the Western sources that the followers of Kapil ( Brihaspati, Kanad), i.e materialistic philosopher wrote their philosophy in 650BC; but that can be totally wrong, as P.N.Oak has demonstrated in his book that the Western historians have a tendency to minimize the importance of India and they are wrong in many occasions about the age of big events in India.

It is a fact that Sri Krishna has mentioned about the Materisalistic philosophy ( Sankhya); thus Kapil must be much older than Vyas.
4 030201kishankb on Jan-19 :

S. Ghosh please be aware of an article, "Yoga at the speed of Light,"
published in the Haindeva Keralam magazine that specializes in ancient Indian knowledge. The article I am referring to was posted by ivarta.com in the Analysis, Other News section on 01192010.

I have a copy of it and if you need it send me an e-mail requesting it.
3 030201kishankb on Jan-19 :

S. Ghosh please be aware of an article, "Yoga at the speed of Light,"
published in the Haindeva Keralam magazine that specializes in ancient Indian knowledge. The article I am referring to was posted by www-ivarta.com in the Analysis, Other News section on 01192010.

I have a copy of it and if you need it send me an e-mail requesting it.
2 030201kishankb on Jan-14 :

S. Ghosh at 00:22 Today

Depending on the source, unknown are the century or period in which the Sankhya system and the Guna theory were created. However, Kapila may have been Vyasa"s contemporary judging from my understanding of it as scientific, innovative and creative systems, and known just before Gita was written.

From what I understand Vyasa was a philosopher and a great story teller but I have not come across any mention that he was also a scientists, if you accept my premise that the two systems were rooted in scientific rational empirical/experimental data.

Before we get into any arguments it is best to remember each of us is quoting some translation of original Gita written in archaic Sanskrit, not really understood to my knowledge by present day scholars.

Although for historical accuracy dates are relavent, to my knowledge original scriptures were transmitted by memory/orally or voice messages.
That was the only way it could have been retained from generation to generation as paper and printing machines were yet to be discovered.

Although Hindus maintain that the Brahmin families who were in charge of this process of retaining and transmitting were true to original scriptures, statistically it is unlikely that over a period of at least 2+ millennium or roughly 80 - 160+ generations, assuming your date of 3,800 BC, no variations were introduced.

Current scientific knowledge shows that evolution is the order of the nature and it is impossible if not incredible to believe that families that were in charge of memorizing and transmitting the Sanskrit slokas did not experience genetic evolutions.

With these comments I leave it to your imagination or sources that you prefer to fix the dates you consider being the origin of the Hindu scriptures.

For my purposes as to the scientific connections of the Sankhya System and the Guna theory to what we now know from verifiable modern day experimental data that Kapila or whoever thought of it were incredibly smart scientist of the day/period. It is my belief that there may have been some kind of experimental data collection process and scientific tools existing in those days, but all such data/tools for lack of documentation or verifyable archeological articats, etc is at best can be imagined.

Human brain is like computer hardware storing software that operates/ controls brain power. Like modern day computers all humans have a relatively permanent memory coded into genes and a capacity to store in what we call volatile memory some information for short period.

Unlike human brain modern day computers as yet are nothing but "rote and regurgitate" devices/machines; that"s why unlike a well conditioned brain trained and cultivated to think, create and innovate modern day computers are like "garbage in garbage out" machines and to that extent sufficiently unreliable to allow unskilled or dumb computer operators make excuses like "oh, the computer made a mistake?"

1 S.Ghosh on Jan-14 :

When exactly the Sankhya system was created?
In Bhagwat Gita Sri Krishna has mentioned that only the fools think Sankhya and Yoga are two different system.
Bhagwat Gita was possibly created in 3800 BC, at the time of the Mahabharat"s great war ( according to AryaBhatta"s calculation).
Thus, Sankhya system is older that the Bhagwat Gita.
Sankhya system has great similarity with the materialistic philosophy of Hegel-Karl Marx.




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