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News Summary: Hindu American Foundations ill-prepared and ill-promoted report on Caste has backfired on its face.A prominent endorsee of the report, Dr. N. S. Rajaram, a historian and professor of history of science at University of Massachusetts withdrew his support for the report.“You are aware that I have largely been supportive of your initiative on caste. But this latest antic by your Human Rights Coordinator Ramesh Rao places it in a different light altogether,” he said in his terse note dated January 1.....read more in: Hindu American Foundation faces dese..

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12 S.Ghosh on Jan-09 :

According to the government statistics, as written in the Times of India, more than 100 human sacrifices, mainly of children, took place in Uttar Pradesh in 2009-2010

Widow buring was common across India until 1870.

There were a lot of fights and killings of the Dalits in Northern India because some Dalit children wanted to have some water from wells meant for the Upper castes.



11 Mo on Jan-07 :


>>In our next door neighbour Bihar, there are still separate wells and tubewells for different castes.

I"ve not seen this anywhere ( doesn"t mean that the practice doesn"t exist in some rural place ). Guess I owe Bihar or MP tribal belt a visit.

Any idea, any suggestions on how to get rid of this nonsense if this still happens ?
10 Mo on Jan-07 :


>> There are no Devdasis in Sout India, certainly not in AP

This is another case of neither "right" nor "wrong".

There were seven types of Devadasis as per Hindu tradition.

Datta -- self-dedicated, or given to deity
Vikrita -- Purchased or self-sold to God,
Bhritya -- servant for supporting family
Bhakta devotee -- Devadasi
Abducted and deserted at the temple
Alankara--donated by kings or nobles to their family deity
Rudra Ganika or Gopika--appointed by the temple for specific services.

Note that it is because of Devadasis for most part that Indian classical music/dances, and some rare fine arts, folk arts _survived_. At the same time, down the line, at some point, exploitation happened and the negative image developed in the manner that SG put forward.
9 Mo on Jan-07 :


>>I am talking about practice not what is written in the Holy Books.

SG, thx for clarifying. Even as practice, this was not the scene all over India. For e.g. in south you will not hear a single instance of widow burning, just like none were found in epics of Ramayana and Mahabharata. A widows in most parts of country however had to wear white austere dress and shun all kinds of adornment. In couple of states/regions things were more serious ( considering that a Raja Roy had made efforts to abolish the "practice" ).

Other thing about Bengal/Bihar that you mentioned, it is because of prevalance of extreme form of Tantrik worship/rituals in that area and similar places elsewhere.

India and observers are like the proverbial elephant and blind men. To each "blind" person, it seems a different "object".
8 S.Ghosh on Jan-07 :

Mo and Kapuria:

I am talking about practice not what is written in the Holy Books.

Even when I was a child, in West Bengal, Sudras like myself were not allowed to sit down in the same row as the Brahmins to eat during any celebrations. Sundras were not allowed to enter the inner part of any temple.

In our next door neighbour Bihar, there are still separate wells and tubewells for different castes.

I have heard from my father that in our local Kali temple human sacrifices used to happen from time to time, but had stopped only since 1940.

Widows used to be burned alive until 1870, when Raja Ram Mohan Roy fought hard to make these illegal.

There are still many problems in the Hindu society; it is better to recognize these and remove these practices.


7 Mo on Jan-07 :

Shabari, Bhakta Kumbhara ( potter who worshipped Vittal ( Vishnu ),
Bhakta Kanappa ( who gifted both his eyes to lord shiva ),
Valmiki ( wrote Ramayana ),
Bhakta Kanakadasa, Swami Vivekananda .. etc..
countless non-brahmins and low-castes never had any problem..

I guess discrimination, bad as it was, did not prevail everywhere.
6 g kapuria on Jan-07 :

SG..You have missed something kind of important. Those are the opinions of certain scholars. Do you know the name of the rishi of the aitareya upanishad? His name was Mahidas. Mahidas Itara, meaning of low birth. Thus it is called aitareya upanishad. I hope you learn what to accept as fact and what not.
5 S.Ghosh on Jan-06 :

Sudras were not allowed even to hear Vedas. They are not allowed to read any religious scripts at all.
If they even look at the higher castes, thet was an offence.
If they look at the food of the higher caste, that food would be considered contaminated.
Hindu society used to have a lot of problem. It is better to admit that these would not happen again.



4 S.Ghosh on Jan-06 :

There were Dev Dashis in South India, who were nothing less than temple prostitutes serving powerful feudal lords Zamindars, Moiney lenders etc.

N.S.Rajaram is a fraud.

3 Malavika on Jan-06 :

SG,

There are no Devdasis in Sout India, certainly not in AP.

Wake up!
2 Malavika on Jan-06 :

SG,

There are no Devdasis in Sout India, certainly not in AP.

Wake up!
1 g kapuria on Jan-06 :

Glad to read this. I always thought very poorly of Ramesh Rao"s Hinduism lessons in HAF site. I hope that HAF learn a bit of humility from this.




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