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News Summary: In Hinduism itself Krishna, as a person, as a statesman and/or as a God, has been subjected to criticism; not just his detractors but even those who believed in his divinity have criticized him. Scores of his devotees across the ages have sung him in, both, love and rage. However, it was only after the advent of Muslim manslayers that his very existence was oppugned.Charged with their zeal to reserve a berth for themselves in "Jannat" (read Heaven) with "Houries" (read virgins), referred in Kora.....read more in: Debunking Krishna, Demonizing Hinduism

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31 S.Ghosh on May-02 :

Sri Aurobindo said, "Gandhi is a European-truly, a Russian Christian in an Indian body."

??????
30 S.Ghosh on Jun-09 :

munienkateeswerrao:

"Starting from the 1950s, we were deprived of education and many were forced to change their surnames because they were denied education"

How can you be deprived and by whom?

"They say Muslims have been looked down upon"

Muslims have partitioned India to create a country only for the Muslims in 1947. After that they have no right to stay in India.

29 Deepu Jose on Jun-09 :

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28 munienkateeswerrao on Jun-09 :

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Once in the US, it so happened that a lady was being chased by a dog. She ran until the dog was stopped and made to run for its life by a brave young man. Looking in awe, among the spectators, was a young journalist. "You are a brave guy. You must be featured in the newspaper. "Brave young American saves lady from dog", is the headline I am planning on. Hearing this, the lad said "Sorry, but I am not an American." "Oh is it?", Where are you from?" asked the journo. "I am from the Middle East," replied the man. "Oh. so, are you a Muslim?" "Yes, very much", he admitted. "Oh, nice to see you. Please read tomorrow"s edition of my newspaper", said the journo handing over his card. The next day, however, the young man was flabbergasted to see the headline which read, "A terrorist terrorizes a dog!"

That was a joke, of course. But the way the world is looking at Muslims today is not much different from the perspective of the imaginative journalist in the joke. "Not all Muslims are terrorists," admit supporters of Islam. This is countered by its critics who say "But most, if not all, of the terrorists are Muslims!"

Islam is at the height of unpopularity today. Muslims are regarded with great skepticism and the credibility of Islam seems to be at stake. Recently, my distinguished friend M J Akbar answered this with a lot of vitality in his article, "Is credibility of Islam at stake"? But not many were moved by it.

The skepticism Islam is encountering globally, is a strange phenomenon. To rebuild the credibility of the religion it is important that the terrorists-call them "Islamists", "Islamic terrorist", or just a "terrorist"-stop making use of Islam as a pillar of their propaganda. Until and unless this subsides, the credibility of Islam, I fear, would certainly be at stake. And no justification of Islam would truly help. All would certainly be seen by its critics as"propaganda".

Islam is certainly "a religion of peace". It has in it a great "passion" for peace. But that peace is not to be equalized with conventional peace which others, mostly non-Muslims or "kafirs", understand. Like Christianity, Islam is a religion which talks of exclusivity. The greatest gift of being a Muslim, or rather converting to it, is the prospect of "heaven"- a heaven which is full of "virgin girls and boys" and where there is a "river of milk" and all that which is never found in Arabia.

Islam"s core maxim is simple. In Arabic it reads "Lailaha Illalah, Mahamdurasullah", which means "No God but Allah, and no Prophet but Mohammad". This clearly states that Islam recognizes no other religion and shuns all gods and prophets. It is stated very clearly in Islam that though Moses and Jesus were also among the prophets, they were intended for a different time and now only Mohammad is to be follow and only Allah deserves worship.

Of recent, the Muslims in India have started justifying acts of violence by terrorists as "a result of their frustration and alienation". They say Muslims have been looked down upon; they have been deprived economically. Special privileges have been demanded for which is being justified by using the Justice Sachar Committee report. While the Sachar report explains the state of Muslims, it totally fails in stating the reasons behind this. Muslims themselves are responsible for their situation, as it is they who pursue religious education instead of the conventional education system.

I am a Brahmin. But to be more specific I am a Gowda Saraswat Brahmin (GSB). From time immemorial, our people have been deprived and have faced constant struggle. History says that our ancestors lived on the banks of the river Saraswati, and when the river dried up we moved to various parts of the country. First the Mughals, and later the Portuguese, persecuted us. A lot of our numbers were converted first to Islam and then to Christianity, forcefully.

Today, we have a modest population. Our composite population in this country would not be more than six lakh. We form a faction of the population, but we have had no special privileges. Starting from the 1950s, we were deprived of education and many were forced to change their surnames because they were denied education.

In the name of providing special privileges to the lower classes, we were deprived. Given this, we had every right to resort to arms and fight and kill people of the lower castes. But that we didn"t do it is a historical fact. The contribution of my community is vibrantly visible. Three distinguished banks of this country were founded by GSBs. First private medical college was founded by Dr. TMA Pai was himself as GSB.

A great many of those who built India"s IT industry are fellow GSBs. Without any privileges, whatsoever, we found our way. As a community, we contributed so much and so well to the economy of this co....
26 Mo on Nov-14 :

>>Aurobindo quoted: Gandhi"s position is that he does not care to remove violence from others; he wants to observe non-violence himself.

Excellent observation from Aurobindo ( though he still did not say Gandhi was not Hindu ).

Jokerlal took this philosophy one step ahead and declared India does not need army and unilaterally imposed panchsheel on India - all the while chinkis were lighting the biggest cracker under his pants.
25 Ruy Lopez on Nov-14 :

I agree with SG. The mindless pacifism has made India a soft country, which Bharat never was. Only Bharat country in the world is standing against the centuries of onslaught from the combined attacks of foreigners and traitors from within. Only Kshtriya spirit of bidding the time will be able to turn the tables when the rakshas will be punished.

24 S.Ghosh on Nov-12 :

On July 23, 1923, Sri Aurobindo said, "Purification can come by the transformation of the impulse of violence. In that respect the old system in India was much better: the man who had the fighting spirit became the Kshatriya and then the fighting spirit was raised above the ordinary vital influence. The attempt was to spiritualize it. It succeeded in doing what passive resistance cannot and will not achieve. The Kshatriya was the man who would not allow any oppression, who would fight it out and he was the man who would not oppress anybody. That was the ideal. Gandhi"s position is that he does not care to remove violence from others; he wants to observe non-violence himself."


23 S.Ghosh on Nov-12 :

Gandhi said that Ram and Krishna are not historical persons, just like the modern Secularists of India. Thus, he denied the divinity of Krishna and Ram
22 Mo on Nov-12 :

SG !!! You are deviating from your line.

Your claim was that Gandhi was not Hindu
because he rejected Gita etc. That was demonstrated as
false.

Pls note that I"m not Gandhi fan.
I too dislike the gutless and dumb leadership
he displayed, and I have serious disgust in the way
NSCB was treated.
21 S.Ghosh on Nov-12 :

Gandhi was not Selfless but very Selfish.

He after being the President of The Congress Party without any election and against the opinion of many of the leaders expelled everyone who were against him.
He was on the payroll of Birla and Bajaj and the textile Mill owners of Ahmedabad.
Sarajini Naidu made the comment that it cost the Congress Party a fortune to keep Gandhi in poverty, as he used to reserve the entire train to travel third class or to live a slum with airconditioned rooms.

20 Mo on Nov-12 :

>>Jai wrote:
>>Mo, Mao had complete disregard for any being, especially the weak and vulnerable.While he sat in his palanquin,his wife and kids walked in jungles and rough terrains/massacared millions of innocent people and alot more.

Jai, yes, that"s commie (dictatorship) style.
19 Mo on Nov-12 :



Gandhi"s self-declared foundation of thought was "unattached/selfless action" as mentioned in the Gita.

Here is a stronger point to say that Gandhi used Christist ideas as well:

"Showing the other cheek to be hit" looks like a Christist view; and no christian believes in this. Hence, some may rightly conclude that Gandhi used Christian ethos more than what Christians themselves would.
This is perceived as weakness. This single line of philosophy did good as well as harm to India.

It did good with elite foreigners. It did very bad for India"s psyche, and
in many cases this became a cornerstone of India"s failed foreign policy.

At this point, I would like to learn about Aurobindo"s thoughts.
Did he have an active view on "ahimsa" and "showing the other cheek" ?
18 Mo on Nov-12 :

Thanks for Aurobindo"s quote. I read it
and find that nowhere he claimed that Gandhi
was not a Hindu.

Ail that he said was that Gandhi was an
European in Indian body.

It should be said here that Gandhi never
claimed that he was a
spiritual guru or preacher or teacher
or a sacred text reader. Further he gave an
unflattering quote against evangelism/conversion.

In fact Ramakrishna Paramahansa and
Swami Vivekananda spoke a good deal about
Christianity and other faiths
17 Mo on Nov-11 :


In Gandhi"s own words:

The Gita is the universal mother. She turns away nobody. Her door is wide open to anyone who knocks. A true votary of Gita does not know what disappointment is. He ever dwells in perennial joy and peace that passeth understanding. But that peace and joy come not to skeptic or to him who is proud of his intellect or learning. It is reserved only for the humble in spirit who brings to her worship a fullness of faith and an undivided singleness of mind. There never was a man who worshipped her in that spirit and went disappointed. I find a solace in the Bhagavad-Gita that I miss even in the Sermon on the Mount. When disappointment stares me in the face and all alone I see not one ray of light, I go back to the Bhagavad-Gita. I find a verse here and a verse there , and I immediately begin to smile in the midst of overwhelming tragedies -- and my life has been full of external tragedies -- and if they have left no visible or indelible scar on me, I owe it all to the teaching of Bhagavad-Gita.
                   

16 S.Ghosh on Nov-11 :

Facts are sometime intolerable.
Gandhi said clearly that Ramayana and Mahabharat are fiction; Ram or Kishna were not historical persons.
There are central authorities for Hinduism. Those who do not accept the authority of the Vedas, Upanishads and Bhagwat Gita are not Hindus.

Sri Aurobindo said about Gandhi that that Gandhi was not a Hindu at all.

On June 22, 1926, Sri Aurobindo said,
"Many educated Indians consider Gandhi a spiritual man. Yes, because the Europeans call him spiritual. But what he preaches is not Indian spirituality but something derived from Russian Christianity, non-violence, suffering, etc. The gospel of suffering that he is preaching has its root in Russia as nowhere else in Europe-other Christian nations don"t believe in it."

"Gandhi is a European-truly, a Russian Christian in an Indian body. And there are some Indians in European bodies! When the Europeans say that he is more Christian than many Christians they are perfectly right. All his preaching is derived from Christianity, and thought the garb is Indian the essential spirit is Christian. He is largely influenced by Tolstoy, the Bible, and has a strong Jain tinge in his teachings; at any rate more than by the Indian scriptures-the Upanishads or the Gita, which he interprets in the light of his own ideas."

15 Jai on Nov-11 :

Mo, Mao had complete disregard for any being, especially the weak and vulnerable.While he sat in his palanquin,his wife and kids walked in jungles and rough terrains/massacared millions of innocent people and alot more. Perhaps if we get rid of our NGOs and you know who else,then India will be blessed again.He did not feel any pity when his children and wives or concubines suffered.
14 Mo on Nov-11 :

>>S.Ghosh wrote:
>>Mao Tse Tung wrote in his Red Book that if your enemy is against you, you are doing the right thing. If your enemy is praising you, you are doing the wrong thing.

Mao had this on-the-ground common sense. In spite of all his commie crap,
he has to be admired for kickstarting China into the orbit of progress..

I wish Indian media focused on real debates that will help the nation.
Too many divisive issues and frayed tempers have become part of Indians" psyche - and this will slow us down.
13 Mo on Nov-11 :

Raoul: your writing seems to have been posted incomplete.

Could you post the remaining part?

Seems interesting. Thanks.
12 Mo on Nov-11 :

S.Ghosh, that"s the strangest thing I"ve ever heard.
And you"ve brought in a highly respected name like Aurobindo to
comment on MKG. Looks like the quote is taken out of context.

As an individual I love jain, budhdhist, sikh or even some of sufi islam and christian belief systems, and yes, Tolstoy, Chekov etc.

Does that make me less Hindu or not a Hindu ?

Swami Vivekananda gave some great lectures on Buddhist philosophy too.

Does that make him any less Hindu ?

Regarding Gandhi, he did not refuse God. There is no "central authority in Hinduism, and so it is easy to accept/reject overriding authority of any scripture/text AND still be a Hindu". As far as I know Gandhi was a Ram Bhakt.
11 Muslim on Nov-11 :

Budda Ghosh pagla gaya hai, satiya gaya hai, yeda ho gaya hai. Usko mental hospital bhejo


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