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25 S.Ghosh on Jun-22 :

Western media is anti-Indian, anti0Hindu, but it is a fact that USA, France, former Soviet Union and East European countries before 1990, Japan are all Secular and they are developed.

Countries with official religions ( Non-Secular countries) are mainly poor countries: Bangladesh, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Afghanistan, Yemen, Cambodia, Laos, whole of Africa and Latin America.

India is not a Secular country because:
1) It has different legal systems for different religions;
2) It has reservations and quota according to religions, caste and tribes;
3) It provides total financial supports to religious institutions like Aligarh Muslim University, Jamia Milia Islamis, St.Stephens College, St Xavier"s College, Allia Madrasa University in West Bengal etc etc.
4) It pays salaries to the teachers of Madrasa, church based institutions, Christian priests, and Muslim Mullahs.

A Secular state like USA or France or Japan does not do these.

24 hindu on Jun-22 :

SG see how the western and wester orientated media comes to the defence of christians and muslims around the world but when the hindus,buddhists,sikhs are killed your secular media and secular government keeps quite
do the hindus,buddhists,sikhs deserve this treatment?
so your secular,maoist or marxist or anyonther type of govt is doomed
indians dont have any self esteem- they think that what ever the the west and arabs say is right- have a look at yourselves

23 S.Ghosh on Jun-22 :

People of India are not Native Americans who were colonised by the British, who had exterminated them, with or without conversions. British did the same in Australia and New Zealand. These are not examples.

Why is it not possible for the BJP, and other so-called Hindu parties, temple funds, Gurus with enormous amount of money to build schools, orphanages, hospitals in the tribal and slum areas to stop the conversion.

Missioneries spread money and convert people because Hindu MahaYogis, Guru Maharajas only gather money, buy gold and do nothing for the poor.




22 hindu on Jun-22 :

"French Jesuit missionaries and settlers to the New World carried the Cross of Lorraine c. 1750-1810. The symbol was said to have helped the missionaries to convert the native peoples they encoutered since the two armed cross resembled existing local imagery"

sg you still using the RED CROSS in india -do research on why only cross and crescent are being used
21 S.Ghosh on Jun-22 :

France: no body is allowed in schools, universities, government building with Christian Cross, Muslim veils or any other religious signs.

USA; In no public building no religious symbols are allowed.

20 hindu on Jun-22 :

SG
"Secular Countries: USA, France" they are only secular in name only but the underlying building stone for western nations
is christianism so cut the crap about western nations being secular-india and indians have been fooled into accepting christian/western nation bs

indians have to grow up or eat the crap dished out by christians/muslims and western nations-pardon the french but it leaves me with no alternative but use the language

and admin there is no foul language here so dont delete this - it has happened in the the past

19 S.Ghosh on Jun-22 :

Secular Countries: USA, France



18 hindu on Jun-21 :

all secular and multicultural countries are failures- india,indonesia and others
countries which prosper are the countries which has the church or the mullahs at the helm-
arab nations with their mullahs and western nations with their strong influence from the christian churches
indians are just plain stupid to think of secularism for india -its a western concept to win over converst-christians-
western nations leave saudi arabia alone because it is at the forefront of islam and its propagation and plus the oil wealth
iraq didn"t have strong islamic influence on their govt. but look whats happening there- the western nations have got puppets running the country but the wealth is siphoned off to western nations and christians being protected and slowly it is going to be resource poor and eventually the evangalist will go there and convert people by offering roti,kapda and makaan
wake up india
sg what sort of govt would you like to impose on india- marxist or maoist-
because they both are failures- only the elite live a good life
same goes for india its all about conversion- the muslims want a muslim india and christians want a christian india
17 S.Ghosh on Jun-21 :

Swift action by the Government can stop communal violence within the existing legal framework. In 1984, only 4 Sikhs were killed in the entire West Bengal, as the Government asked both the police, the Army and the members of the CPI(M) to come out to the streets and protect the Sikhs.

However, both in 1960 and in 1979 hundreds if not thousands of Hindu Bengalis were killed in Assam by the Ahom tribes ( who are not even Indian; they came from China via Thailand in 14th century) because the Government of Assam, incuding Fakir Uddin Ali Ahmed, who later became the President of India during the Emergency rule) supported that riots.

Thus, it is the attitude of the government which is important. One should not expect that Hindus, who are minorities in NE India will be protected by the respective Governments who are dominated by the violent headhunting Cristians, no matter what the proposed bill is. Hindu minorities could not get any protection in Jammu & Kashmir, some parts of Kerala, Assam, West Bengal, Eastern Bihar, East UP.

16 g kapuria on Jun-21 :

Mo.. Thanks for correcting me.
15 hindu on Jun-21 :

this is more relevant

"I think when you see so many Hindu temples of the tenth century or earlier time disfigured, defaced, you know that they were not just defaced for fun: that something terrible happened. I feel that the civilization of that closed world was mortally wounded by those invasions. And I would like people, as it were, to be more reverential towards the past, to try to understand it; to preserve it; instead of living in its ruins. The Old World is destroyed. That has to be understood. The ancient Hindu India was destroyed."

14 hindu on Jun-21 :

and when vs naipaul wrote about hinduism he was crucified by the seculars
"Very good quote – The part that spoke to me was

“To speak of Hindu fundamentalism, is a contradiction in terms, it does not exist. Hinduism is not this kind of religion. You know, there are no laws in Hinduism.”

and

“The older I get, the more Hindu I become. “
The key Hindu concept of dharma – the right way, the sanctioned way, which all men must follow, according to their natures – is an elastic concept. At its noblest it combines self-fulfillment and truth to the self with the ideas of action as duty, action as its own spiritual reward, man as a holy vessel. India was trampled over, fought over. You had the invasions and you had the absence of a response to them. There was an absence even of the idea of a people, of a nation defending itself. Only now are people beginning to understand that there has been a great vandalizing of India. The movement is now from below. It has to be dealt with. It is not enough to abuse these youths or use that fashionable word from Europe, "fascism", There is a big, historical development going on in India. What is happening in India is a new historical awakening….Indian intellectuals, who want to be secure in their liberal beliefs, may not understand what is going on. But every other Indian knows precisely what is happening: deep down he knows that a larger response is emerging even if at times this response appears in his eyes to be threatening.
Indian intellectuals have a responsibility to the state and should start a debate on the Muslim psyche, To speak of Hindu fundamentalism, is a contradiction in terms, it does not exist. Hinduism is not this kind of religion. You know, there are no laws in Hinduism.
I think when you see so many Hindu temples of the tenth century or earlier time disfigured, defaced, you know that they were not just defaced for fun: that something terrible happened. I feel that the civilization of that closed world was mortally wounded by those invasions. And I would like people, as it were, to be more reverential towards the past, to try to understand it; to preserve it; instead of living in its ruins. The Old World is destroyed. That has to be understood. The ancient Hindu India was destroyed.
The older I get, the more Hindu I become."




13 Mo on Jun-20 :

gk, he"s a x-tian; brought up in x-tian family ( he"s an orphan of 1947 partition ) and married to x-tian.

also do check christianmatrimony dot com for prominent indian christians.

12 g kapuria on Jun-20 :

I read somewhere that Jagdish Tytler said that he is a Hindu.
11 hindu on Jun-19 :

many thanks Mo-
i hope who ever reads these posts realise the truth


omg the lies the xtians and muslims are perpertrating is unbelievable

and what about the journos who use hindus names i think barkha and some other journos also do that

indian parliamenatarians should be forced to wear their religions so they can not and should not deceive common indians


9 Mo on Jun-19 :

The last para came up incomplete.
Here it is again:

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( contd. "what"s in a name" - rajendra chaddha )
According to the book the real name of Muktimani"s should have been Stephen; Jugal Kishore and Yugal Kumar as Thomas; Dev Das as Timothy; Vijay Kumar as Victor, Jayanti as Victoria; Shanti Bala as Wilfred and Mukti Prakash as Xavier.

It is no surprise that Swami Mukti Prakash is a Christian leader.

8 Mo on Jun-19 :

Previous post was directly from web.
Another more detailed, revealing one here from Rajendra Chaddha,
also from web :

Read this shocking one in full.

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What is common between Daya Shankar, Dinesh, Sunil, Nirmala, Deepak, Kirti, Shakti Singh, Bhanu Pratap, Vivekenanda, Kapil, Manohar, Vidyadhar, Arvind, Shanti Prasad, Premchand, Vimla, Anand, Vinod Kumar, Jyoti, Rajni, Jai Shree, Yashwant, Shalini, Ajay Singh and Ajat Shatru?

These are Hindu names, seem to be the only common factor between the above mentioned words. Prem Chand was the great Hindi writer, Vivekananda the Hindu saint, Kapil (Dev) the cricket player, Bhanu Pratap (Shukla) a media commentator, Yashwant (Sinha) India"s Finance Minister and Ajat Shatru the Tourism Minister of Jammu and Kashmir. The rest names like Dinesh, Sunil, Deepak, Manohar, Arvind, Anand, Vimla, Vinod and Jyoti are the most popular Hindu names. What else could be the common factor between the above mentioned names and hundreds of similar names?

These are Christian names according to the book "Hindi Christian names" published by the priests and brothers of the Society of St. Paul who "proclaim the Gospel through the modern means of communication". A team of Christian theologians under the Hindi Catholic Literature Committee has compiled the names.

These names have been meticulously selected by the Christian missionary organisations as the Hindi version of the Christian names to be used during their evangelicalisation process in the Hindi belt. The existences of similar text for other regions of India like Punjab, Tamil Nadu, Andhra Pradesh and the West Bengal could not be ruled out.

"The present list of Christian names is not exhaustive; still care has been taken not to omit any name commonly used in northern India. Where this was not feasible, the translation has been made to sound as like an existing name as possible," says the forward of the book published in 1990.

This the Christian whose name should have been Abraham becomes "Kulnath" having the same meaning of "father of the multitude." Absolem meaning the father of peace is given the Hindi name of Dayashankar. The Chrtistian name Adelbert meaning nobly bright becomes Dinesh in the Hindi heartland. Deepak one of the most common names of this part of the country is the Hindi equivalent of Albert meaning illustrious. Similarly a Christian having the name Agatho which literally means good and kind is popularly known as Sushil.

Adam, another Christian name, which means red earth, is known as Prithviputra. The real name of Vir Singh, a Christian convert, is Amos meaning strong and courageous. Bhanu Pratap is the Hindi convert of Apollonius, Kirti the Hindi of Augustina meaning Exalted and consecrated and Rajendra and Bhupendra in fact really is Basil meaning Kingly.

The Christian missionaries have changed Bertram into Vivekenanda and Gyanachandra. If Bruno, meaning brown, in Hindi has been given the name of Kapil and Bhurelal, Callistus, meaning beautiful, becomes Manohar and Sudershan.

The names Vidyadhar, Budhi Chandra and Gyan Chandra has been chosen by the Christian missionaries as Hindi equivalent of Conrad, meaning bold in counsel.

A baptised Erasmus is named Lalit and Sunder, Justin becomes Sunita, Joseph becomes Buddhi Chandra, Joel becomes Anant Prakash, James becomes Vikrant, John becomes Anugrah, Josue becomes Mukti Sagar and Imelda becomes Dev Raksha.

The compilers of the book say that the Hindi names have been chosen with similar meanings. "In finding an Indian, or rather Hindi, equivalent the normal procedure has been to choose an existing Indian name having same meaning," the forward of the book points out.

Thus Leander, meaning lion-man, is known as Shakti Singh; Lucy meaning light as Jyoti; Margaret meaning pearl as Mukta; Martin meaning dedicated to Mars as Mangala; Martha meaning ruler of the house as Malika; Matthew meaning gift of god as Ishwarprasad and Dev Prasad; Mercedes meaning ransom as Neha and Monica meaning lonely as Manika and Rani.

The Hindi name of Paula is Vinita and Anima; Peter becomes Shilalnanda or Shila Chandra; Philip becomes Ashwaghosh; Rebecca as Rupa or Manjula; Richard as Narendra; Rita as Swati; Roderick as Yashpal; Sabina as Manish; Samson as Surya Kant; Sarah as Rajkumari; Sabistian as Shradha Kumar and Silvia as Vipin Kumari.

The book has also tried to give a rough guideline about giving names. "Indian names ending in Anand should normally be taken by priests or religious only; wherever such names occur, another equivalent has been provided for general use," it observes.

According to the book the real name of Muktimani"s should have been Stephen; Jugal Kishore and Yugal Kumar as Thomas; Dev Das as Timothy; Vijay Kumar as Victor, Jayanti as Victoria; Shanti Bala as Wilfred and M....
7 Mo on Jun-19 :

Most of the UPA ministry is of Christian people. As Ambika Sony is Christian. Sardesai is Christian, Naveen Chawla is Christian, jagdish Tytler is Christian and MANY MANY MORE---- there are many many with Christians - names -----and there are many many Muslims also .



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